Notes for: John (Jan) Bodine
John appears in the list of baptisms at the Raritan (now Somerville) Dutch Reformed Church around 1757. His first two children are Areyaente and Abraham, the same names as would be customary of his parents. Sinnott seems to agree that these were his parents. And Chambers (?) in History of the West Branch Valley, page 523 also lists a John (baptized December 6, 1730) as a child of Abraham and Adriantje. This is repeated on page 16 of John Thomson and Family.
An article (700 Years of History...) about the Bodines says that this John's descendants lived in Plainfield, New Jersey and near Lake Owasco, New York (between Seneca and Cayuga Lakes). This also comes from page 16 of John Thomson and Family (1889). The Thomson book doesn't say anything about this John Bodine's descendants. It only says he married Femmetje Voorhees.
The Voorhees in America book gives this John's birth date as September 1730 in Hunterdon County, New Jersey. And the baptism date is September 6, 1730. It also lists his father as Abraham, son of Jean. They lived in Sowerland Mountain, New Jersey. The book appears to say, from the notes I've seen, that Femmetje married another Bodine first and had the Bodine children by him. Then she married John Bodine (b. Sep. 1730) around 1755. That doesn't appear to make any sense, though.
Here is some information on her from the Voorhees book. It is talking about Femmetje / Phoebe (Voorhees) Bodine, wife of John Bodine (b. abt. 1730).
The following about Femmetje Voorhees is supposedly written in the Voorhees book on page 122:
"She lived at Sowerland, NJ.* John Bodine died intestate and the estate was administered 19 Sept. 1770 by William Van Doren and Jacobus Voorhees of Somerset Co. Fellow bondsmen was Hendrick Sedam. A letter from S. B. Powell (daughter of Phebe A. LaTourette), North Hector, NY dated 30 Nov 1876 to John B. Thompson states, "Mother received a letter from you etc. requesting history of her father's family.---- Her father was Abram Bodine and mother Anna Bice. They came to this county when mother was 4 years old. Mother's grandmother Bodine's maiden name was Phebe Voorhees." (The writer lists the names of Femmetje Voorhees' children and their spouses as given here. She states that they came from Sowerland, near Readington, NJ. The writer of the letter had visited Mr. Stine at Plainfield, NJ - John Bodine Thompson papers, Rutgers University Library.)
*"Sowerland" is the Blawenburg-Montgomery area.
What the above means is that this Bodine family was originally from near the Blawenburg-Montgomery area (Hunterdon Co.) of New Jersey. Around 1789, Abraham and his wife Anna moved to the area of North Hector (now in Schuyler Co.), New York. This would go along with my assumption that the Abraham Bodine buried in the Old Lodi Burial Ground in Lodi, Seneca Co., NY is the son of John and Phoebe Bodine. Lodi is not too far from North Hector.
From: Ronny Bodine
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013
Subject: Stine Again
...
Okay, your notes from the Voorhees book says the writer of the 1878 letter, S.B. Powell, who was Sarah B. Powell, wife of Ramsom Powell, or John Bodine Thompson, went to visit Mr. Stine in Plainfield, NJ. Okay, only one Stine lived in Plainfield in 1880 and that was William Stine (b. c1820) and his wife Violet (1817-1898). I backtracked him to his father, John Stine, aged 69 in 1850 Warren County, NJ. John died March 1870 in Warren, Somerset County, NJ. That places his birth about 1781 and seems to be the same man as John Stine, born 30 Jan 1781, son of Jacob Stine and wife Cathrin, whom Jan in 2008 thought was Tina Bodine wife of Mr. Stine. I would like to know the source of the birth day for John and his brothers Jacob 5 Jan 1784 and William 1786 and of course the dates for Jacob and Cathrin.
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Ronny
From: David Bodine
To: Ronny Bodine
Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2013
Subject: RE: Stine Again
...
Based on your findings, I looked at WorldConnect and came up with an interesting result. There are no sources, but this does ring some bells. The research looks pretty good, but this person did not list his sources. Look at and the links with it:
This says Jacob Stine (I'm guessing born about 1730) married a Phoebe Bodine. They had a son Jacob Stine (1756-1786) who married Cathrin UKNOWN in 1780. Cathrin was supposedly born April 25, 1761 and died Sep. 13, 1831.
This son Jacob Stine is then the father of the John Stine you mention below. The researcher has John Stine born on Jan. 30, 1781 and died March 22, 1872. He married Rachel Barkman on Sep. 12, 1812 in Plainfield, NJ. Rachel was born Feb 27, 1789 in Lebanon, Hunterdon Co., NJ and died Dec 21, 1858. [Comment from Ronny: John Stine died in March 1870--he appears on the mortality schedule for Somerset County, NJ.]
Their son William was born on Oct 5, 1815. He married Violetty Randolf.
The Phoebe Bodine mentioned above must be the widow of a Bodine since I have no other Phoebe Bodine born around 1730. I have a note on Phoebe that says:
The Voorhees in America book gives this John's birth date as September 1730 in Hunterdon County, New Jersey. And the baptism date is September 6, 1730. It also lists his father as Abraham, son of Jean. They lived in Sowerland Mountain, New Jersey. The book appears to say, from the notes I've seen, that Femmetje married another Bodine first and had the Bodine children by him. Then she married John Bodine (b. Sep. 1730) around 1755. That doesn't appear to make any sense, though.
What the Voorhees book says could make sense. Phoebe married a Bodine first. That Bodine died pretty quickly. As Phoebe Bodine, the widow, she married Jacob Stine. She had two kids with Jacob Stine (as listed at WorldConnect). Their son Jacob was born in 1756 (or so) and Jacob the father died right about then. Phoebe remarried to John Bodine around 1756 and started having her Bodine kids in 1757. I kind of doubt, as the Voorhees book supposedly says, that Phoebe had Bodine kids from her first marriage to a Bodine.
If this is all accurate, then maybe this Jacob Stine (1756-1786) actually married his cute step-sister Cathrin Bodine. One reason this might all be hard to research was that the family was actively trying to hide some of this hanky-panky. It was probably a pretty big deal back then for someone to marry his step-sister (still strange even today but it just happened in my mom's side of the family).
As I'm writing this, I just discovered that some of what I wrote above was earlier found by Jan. See the notes page below:
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Dave
From: Ronny Bodine
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013
Subject: Re: Stine Again
Dave,
Thank you, thank you. I have inserted comments where appropriate. Some of these dates came from baptismal records and I will endeavor to find these and a few other clues I still wish to pursue. But I do not foresee some giant revelation as so many people have apparently pursued this already. The bit in the Vorhees book is just a sideline for them as everything about the Bodines appears only on page 122 of their book. I would love to see a copy of this 1878 letter and I gather it is part of the John Bodine Thompson Papers at Rutgers. I would have thought someone would have a copy since they reference details from it. For those 5 children it is the equivalent of a family Bible page.
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Ronny
*****End of email thread on the topic above.
The following comes from Ronny Bodine. It might very likely refer to this John Bodine as the one who committed the fornication:
The Docket of Jacob Van Noorstrand was published in the Genealogy Magazine of New Jersey, vol. 42, p. 100 and included the following entry:
son, born 30 September 1765. On 3 February 1766, Hannah Van Sickeln appeared before Jacob Van Noorstrand, of the Somerset County court and stated she was delivered of a male child on 30th Sept last and John Bodyne of Hunterdon County, cooper, is the father. A warrant was sworn for Bodyne. On 17 February 1766, John Bodine of Reading, Hunterdon County, was directed to appear at the next quarter session in Somerset County to answer to charges of fornication. Peter Bodine, of Hunterdon County, acted as surety.
From: Jan Bodine [Acacat17 at aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009
To: bodinegenealogy at gmail.com; RBodine996 at aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Two likely John Bodine candidates
Hello Dave and Ronny,
This is just way too much fun - you spend so much time just picking at the "brick wall", and now to sense that the "brick wall" is finally about to give way entirely is just really remarkable!!! I think BOTH of these John Bodines are VERY plausible suspects. (I nicknamed my Bodine Family History as the 'Book of John' because they were so fond of that given name.) If I am seeing the data properly, then each of these likely John Bodines is associated with each of the two sides of the original family tree? So, possibly Ed's DNA test results may help narrow down the possibilities by indicating exactly which side of the family tree his family line is associated with? I sincerely hope it will do just that. However; being an artistic type person, my imagination tends to try to interpret new data into assorted scenarios so that I can better understand the people involved (and maybe help predict where to look for additional data) - is there any possibility that this Hannah Van Sickeln may simply have selected John Bodine to be named as the father of her son simply because that Bodine family was better off financially than most others and they could better afford to care for her child? Would the Court have named John Bodine as the father simply on her sworn testimony? What sort of possibilities might exist here? What if none of the Fountain County Bodines are actually Bodines???
Ed's DNA test kit will be put into the mail early this morning! Now the really difficult part - the waiting.
Respectfully,
Jan Bodine
From: Jan Bodine [Acacat17 at aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009
To: bodinegenealogy at gmail.com; RBodine996 at aol.com
PEACOCK FAMILY TREE REDO (Owner: azhriaz)
Hello again,
I was just investigating Hannah Van Sickeln, and for what it is worth, I saw a family tree (I know - needs more verification!) of a Johannes Jan Van Sicklen born in 1726 in Readington, NJ - his son (the only child indicated here) John Van Sycklen was born in 1761 in Hunterdon, New Jersey. Johannes' father was listed as Jan Van Sicklen born 1693 in Long Island, New York and he was a son of Reinier Van Sicklen also born in Long Island, New York in 1661. These locations and time frame could indicate that Hannah Van Sickeln may have been a daughter of Johannes Jan Van Sicklen who was born in 1726 in Readington, NJ??? Of further interest in the data indicated in this family tree is that this John Van Sycklen who was born in 1726 in Readinton, NJ, died in Butler County, Ohio (as did one of his sons, John Van Sickle) which is located immediately west of Warren County, Ohio where the John Bodine married to Jane Marlatt died. Of even further interest is that one of the sons of John Van Sycklen, William, was listed as having died in Clinton, Indiana - which is located just south of Fountain County, Indiana where the children of John Bodine and Jane Marlatt moved from Warren County, Ohio. If this data is indeed correct, then it might indicate that John Bodine, the son of Hannah Van Sicklen, stayed with or returned to his mother's Sicklen family and not with the Bodine family of his father???? I just had to share this as at least a VERY, VERY interesting possibility.
Respectfully,
Jan Bodine
From: Jan Bodine [Acacat17 at aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009
To: bodinegenealogy at gmail.com; RBodine996 at aol.com
Subject: and there's more...
Hello again,
I beg your further indulgence - I just found another family tree for Van Sicklen where Ferdinandus Van Sicklen (born 1635 Ghent, East Flanders, Belgium) was married to an Eva Antonis Jansen (born 1641 Gravesend, Kings, NY) - I just wonder if this Eva Antonis Jansen may have been some relation to Adriantje (Jansen) Johnson the spouse of Abraham Bodine who was born abt 1692 in Staten Island, Richmond, NY???
I find a Hannah Van Syckle in Dave's genealogy file - note that her mother-in-law was Judith (Juda) Bodine, a daughter of Abraham Bodine and Adriantje (Jansen) Johnson - of added interest is that her daughter, Hannah Thomson, married a Garret La Tourette - I just wonder if this Garret La Tourette was related to some of the La Tourettes who moved with John Bodine into Ohio and then into Fountain County, IN???
From: rbodine996 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009
To: bodinegenealogy at gmail.com; ACACAT17 at aol.com
Subject: Re: Two likely John Bodine candidates
Dear Dave and Jan--
I have pondered over these two John Bodines and cannot come to a conclusion. I will also toss into the ring John Bodine, son of Abraham and Mary (Low) Bodine who was baptized 1743 in Reading, Hunterdon County. Although he had no brother named Peter, he did have an uncle of that name born in 1727. This John married Lementje Cozine in 1766. This may take some intensive work at the New Jersey State Archives to resolve. Otherwise we depend on what trickles its way onto the internet or in books to our local libraries.
Ronny
From: rbodine996 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:47 PM
To: bodinegenealogy; ACACAT17
Subject: Fwd: Two likely John Bodine candidates
I meant to add one more comment which seems significant. John Bodine (1765-1834) of Warren County, OH says he lost both of his farms in Warren County by paying debts, lawsuits and legacy to Peter Bordine (=Bodine). There must be something in the county records for Warren County, Ohio that would explain this loss of property.
Ronny
From: Acacat17
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009
To: bodinegenealogy; RBodine996
Hello again,
Forgive me - I have not found time to do very much actual digging as yet, but Ed and I have come up with a possible theory regarding the payments John Bodine was forced to make to a Peter Bodine in Warren County --- Jane Marlatt's father's Will left her some money, as well as some money for her "natural" daughter, "Polly", and some for her other children. If this can be interpreted to mean any subsequent children after Polly, then that would include Peter Bodine as the oldest male of that group of children. --- My theory is that all of the children prior to "Polly" were born to John and the Unknown Stine woman --- as the eldest male of his four full siblings, it may have fallen to this Peter to handle or see to the financial affairs/inheritance of these siblings. Chances are, that after the financial loss on the sale of their property in Berkeley County, VA (John sold property to Joseph Grantam for $5400 but only received $3468 of that amount - the loss of $1932 is a very large sum of money for that day and age), perhaps John dipped into the inheritance fund left by Grandpa Marlatt for Jane Marlatt-Bodine and her children - causing Peter to sue John in order to receive proper reparation for that inheritance, as well as suing for his own inheritance as John's eldest son by Jane Marlatt? Perhaps there was even some dispute over who was the rightful eldest male child heir if there were indeed two sets of children? As I, understand it, this is also about the time when John applied for his pension as a Revolutionary War soldier because he was in dire need of additional finances. This is just a theory - I will start looking into the Warren County records as soon as possible (I can access a number of books and reports. etc. through my Library web site.). Who knew that this John Bodine would turn into such a three ring circus?
Best Wishes, Jan Bodine
From: Acacat17
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009
To: bodinegenealogy; RBodine996
Hello again,
I might possibly have located Hannah Van Sickle? I saw in Dave's notes where there was a Van Sickle Family History Book, and I was able to locate and access this book through my library web page. My suspect is Anna Van Sickle, (page 190 - A History of the Van Sickle Family in the United States of America) she was born in Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1743. She was a daughter of Peter? Van Sycklin and Margrietje Unknown, and she married her 2nd cousin, Cornelius Van Sickle.
I believe this Anna is of the right age to have given birth to our John Bodine prior to her marriage (she would have been about 22 when John was born) - her first child in marriage was not baptized until 1769 and, supposedly, our John was born about 1765. She certainly appears to have been in the correct location to have been a likely suspect. The article relates that Anna, "was distinguished for her beauty and neatness; she was a pure blonde with light red hair and blue eyes - a perfect type of the original stock." (Men have certainly been known to be led astray by great beauty from time to time .......) Her father died in 1754 and her mother died in 1759, so she was without the normal protection of her parents by the age of 16 - her first child in marriage was baptized in 1769 - Anna would have been 26 years old when this first child was baptized - a bit older than the average newly wed of that era - I just wonder if her marriage prospects may have been reduced due to a scandal involving the birth of a child out of wedlock? I just think it was quite unusual that a woman of such "distinguished beauty" would have had any difficulty in finding a spouse much earlier in her life. I wonder - since there were evidently some relationships between the Bodines and Van Sickle families, if possibly Anna had gone to live with another family - as did her only brother, Peter --- I just wonder if she may possibly have been a live-in of the elder John Bodine and Catherine Voorhees household???? (Perhaps her brother, Peter, was also in this same household? The article does not name the household, but states that he was ill-treated while a resident there???)
Anna's brother, Peter, had a son by the name of Andrew (born 1799) who emigrated to Gallia County, Ohio in 1817 - " where he remained for about three years, thence removing to Indiana and settling in Vermillion County, where he resided until his death, which occurred July 17, 1822." This Andrew would have been of the same generation level as our John Bodine (husband of Jane Marlatt and possibly Unknown Stine) --- if they were indeed Cousins, it would stand to reason they might at least stay in touch? possibly even move near each other by intention? --- Vermillion County is located right next to Fountain County, Indiana, which is where the children of John Bodine emmigrated from Warren County, Ohio.
Just wanted to share my thoughts at any rate.
Best Wishes, Jan Bodine
From: Acacat17
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009
To: bodinegenealogy; RBodine996
Hello again gentlemen,
I have noted another item of interest - in Dave's notes for John Bodine ( 1744-1822 ) who served in Washington's Life Guard - I see where this man emigrated to Ross County, Ohio from Berkeley County, VA, and was found in Ross County in 1818 when he request his Revolutionary War pension. The nephew of Anna Van Sickle (Andrew) emigrated to Gallia County, Ohio in 1817 - which is immediately next to Ross County, Ohio - which MIGHT associate the Van Sickle family with this John Bodine?, and three years later, Andrew Van Sickle emigrated to Vermillion County, Indiana - which is located immediately next to Fountain County - which MIGHT associate the Van Sickle family with John Bodine's descendants who emigrated to Fountain County, IN from Warren County, Ohio in 1829. Does this seem to indicate there may well be a relationship between all of these individuals? Perhaps this elder John Bodine is indeed the father of our John the husband of Jane Marlatt? Would that also indicate that Anna Van Sickle was indeed the mother of John Bodine, the husband of Jane Marlatt? Ed has always thought it must be significant in some way that this elder John Bodine enlisted for the Revolutionary War on the same page in Berkeley County, Virginia, just 4 entries ahead of our probable John Bodine spouse of Jane Marlatt (who enlisted at the age of 14). Of further interest is that this elder John Bodine, who died in 1822, was said to have been 75 years old at the time of his death --- Dave has him listed in his file as born about 1744, but wouldn't that calculation be for 1747 instead? Please forgive me if I may offend here --- I am decidedly not as well versed in this research as either one of you gentlemen - I just thought I needed to point this out as at least something of interest. There is a Capt. John Bodine listed in Dave's file as born Oct. 1747, but he is also listed as died Mar 26, 1827 in Nottingham, Burlington, NJ --- folks don't generally die in two different locations at two different times, but it is of interest that the birth date might possibly be the same? ------ Now that I am thoroughly and completely confused, I need to go take an aspirin and lie down for a while. I apologize sincerely if I am only muddling the issue even further rather than helping to provide any useful clues.
Respectfully, Jan Bodine
From: Acacat17
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009
To: bodinegenealogy; RBodine996
Subject: hmmmmm....
I have yet another little tid bit that might possibly be an interesting lead??? John Bodine - son of John Bodine and Phoebe Voorhees - was listed in Dave's charts as having married an unknown Stine or Styne - as was his sister, Catrina (Tina) Bodine. I happened to notice (when I was checking for possible fathers for little Hannah J. Bodine who is buried in Warren County, Ohio) that there are some Sine relations to Bodines in Hunterdon County, New Jersey - Clarissa "Clara" Augusty Sine, daughter of William Sine, married John H. Bodine who was born Feb. 19, 1832 in Hunterdon County, NJ, the son of Jacob Bodine and Catherine Fauss - If there was one associated marriage between these families, then there may very possibly have been some other marriages somewhere along the line??? Dave's notes mention that there are a number of folks with this family name buried in that area. I wonder of the Stine/Styne marriages indicated in the Voorhees Book may have in fact have been in reference for some members of this Sine family instead??? Just a thought.
Best Wishes, Jan Bodine
From: Acacat17
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009
To: bodinegenealogy; RBodine996
I am noticing several Bodine families within Dave's file who are listed as "wagon makers" - some of whom even migrated into central Ohio (as did the John Bodine who served in Washington's Life Guard) --- the John Bodine named by Hannah Van Sickeln as the father of her child, John Bodine, was listed in that court document as having been a "cooper". I just wonder if he may have been directly related to one of these wagon maker families, as it would not be too much of a stretch to imagine that a son may have started his own business as a "cooper" by making use of his father's scrap material left over from making wagons??? (Coopers made barrels, etc.) Just a thought.
Best Wishes, Jan Bodine
I got the following from Brenda Cooper. She has some interesting ideas. I've asked for some proof and sources for her ideas. I'll paste those in when I get them.
From: Brenda Cooper [bhcooper48 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014
Subject: Bodine/Stine connection
Hi Dave, I believe the Phoebe Bodine who married John Stine was his second wife and actually Phoebe Voorhees Bodine widow of John 1730-1770. She is the mother of Abraham Stine b.1777 but not the mother of Jacob Stine b.1756/John's son. Jacob Stine married Catherin(probably Tina Bodine dau. of Phoebe). Phoebe's son John Bodine 1760 married a Stine. I don't show a dau. for John Stine but that doesn't mean there wasn't one or more.Jacob and Catherin Stine are my 4th great grandparents. Their son Jacob married Elizabeth Strock/Strauch 10 Sept 1811,Sussex Co.,N.J. They moved to Perry Co.,Ohio,where they had Catherine,Mary,John Jacob,George W.(my line),and Naomi. Jacob and Eliz. went to Lee Co.,Iowa to care for their deceased dau Catherine's 2 boys. Jacob died there in 1852 and Eliz died 1874 in Scotland Co.,Missouri--lived with dau Mary/John Houtz. So John Stine is my 5th great grandfather. John Bodine and Phoebe Voorhees are my 5th great grandparents. Would appreciate hearing from anyone with info on the Bodine/Stine connection.
Brenda Cooper
From: Brenda Cooper [bhcooper48 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014
Subject: Re: Bodine/Stine connection
Sorry Dave, no sources for John Stine/Phoebe Bodine or Jacob Stine/Catherin'Tina'Bodine. My thought about Phoebe was because of the age difference between Jacob and Abraham 1756/1777 and Phoebe's husband dying in 1770. Naming patterns were another clue for Jacob/Catherin. My mother had done work on the Stine line but I think she probably got these names from LDS trees . I know she corresponded with a Stine cousin years ago but I haven't come across those letters. I'd swear she kept everything so they must be here somewhere. Jacob/Elizabeth who moved to Ohio are documented in Perry Co. books. Their children carry through name-wise. Oh it just crossed my mind that death dates for John and Jacob came from a New Jersey will/intestate book we found at a library. I was hoping someone had come across new info since your post I read. Taking the naming trend into account I also believe the John Bodine with Jane Marlatt is the illegitimate son of Hannah Van Sickelyn since his 2nd dau. is Hannah and there is no Phoebe in that line. Just a thought,sorry. Wish I had actual facts to offer.
Brenda
From: Brenda Cooper [bhcooper48 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015
Subject: Phoebe Voorhees Bodine
Does anyone know if Phoebe Voorhees Bodine,widow of John Bodine is the same person as Phoebe Bodine,wife(probably second) of John Stine? They were parents of Abraham Stine b. 1777 but John Stine also had a son Jacob b. 1756/d.1786 who married Cathrin(Tina Bodine). Would appreciate any info/theories. Thanks. Brenda